Day 38 − Hearing Block 4, 28 February 2023 You are here Home Day 38 − Hearing Block 4, 28 February 2023 Day 38 Date 28 February 2023 Location Brisbane Hearing Hearing Block 4 Exhibits Exhibit 4-6040 - RLE.9999.0001.0003_R - 2022.11.10 - NTG-0044 (Leon) Exhibit 4-6041 - RLE.9999.0001.0002_R - 20221123 RL Statement FINAL 22006293(46499412.1) Exhibit 4-6042 - RLE.9999.0001.0004_R - 20230220 R LEON Signed Supplementary Witness Statement(47199927.1) Exhibit 4-6043 - CTH.3004.0008.1801_R - RE- [REDACTED] - Earned Income Intervention program debt and claim for compensation - potential media interest [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6044 - CTH.3004.0008.1802_R - EII program debt and claim for compensation Secretary Annotations 010320 Exhibit 4-6045 - CTH.3000.0039.6398_R - [REDACTED] - AAT1 decn Sept 2017 Exhibit 4-6046 - CTH.3009.0011.0131 - Sec annot news alert of 040418 re debts Exhibit 4-6047 - CTH.3003.0001.0133_R - FW- BREAKING NEWS ALERT- The Guardian reports Centrelink robo-debt program accused of enforcing 'illegal' debts [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6048 - CTH.3007.0008.8063_R - Fwd- EC18-000840 Secretary noted brief with annotations - Meeting with Commonwealth Ombudsman to discuss legal issues relating to Online Compliance Interventions Exhibit 4-6049 - CTH.3007.0008.8064_R - EC18-000840 Sec noted brief with annot Exhibit 4-6050 - CTH.3007.0010.6281_R - Masterton - Federal Court proceedings concerning the Online Compliance Intervention [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6051 - CTH.3007.0010.6283_R - Masterton Application Exhibit 4-6052 - CTH.3007.0010.6287_R - Masterton Affidavit Browne 4 February 2019 Exhibit 4-6053 - CTH.3007.0010.6361 - 6022019074920 Exhibit 4-6054 - CTH.1000.0011.5562_R - Draft Ombudsman's report for comment - Employment Income Confirmation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6055 - CTH.1000.0011.5563_R - Ombudsman to Secretary DHS Draft EIC Report Exhibit 4-6056 - CTH.1000.0011.5564 - 001 Draft Report V3.0 - EIC Stage 2 Implementation - draft for Secretary Comment Exhibit 4-6057 - CTH.3005.0010.1208_R - Brief to Sec - mtg with Ombudsman [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6058 - CTH.3005.0010.1209_R - EC19-000243 v0.19 Exhibit 4-6059 - CTH.2001.0013.0040_R - FW- Masterton v Secretary, Department of Human Services - Update and request for instructions by 4pm 7 March [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6060 - CTH.2001.0013.0043_R - AGS Advice 5 March 2019 Exhibit 4-6061 - CTH.3007.0027.0349_R - CTH.2001.0013.0108 Exhibit 4-6062 - CTH.3004.0011.6694_R - Draft Implementation Report into Centrelink's Automated Debt Raising and Recovery System [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6063 - CTH.3003.0001.0719_R - Fwd- Draft Implementation Report into Centrelink's Automated Debt Raising and Recovery System [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6064 - CTH.3007.0011.6407_R - Masterton v the Commonwealth - Litigation re OCI - further discussion [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6065 - CTH.3007.0011.6408_R - Advice on prospects - Masterton - DRAFT Exhibit 4-6066 - CTH.3009.0016.2171_R - FW- Embargoed report into the implementation of Employment Income Confirmation recommendations [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6067 - CTH.3009.0016.2172_R - 001 Embargoed report Exhibit 4-6068 - CTH.3009.0016.2217_R - A1738660 IOI-2017-200008 - Ms Renee Leon PSM Exhibit 4-6069 - CTH.3007.0011.6488 - Masterton - key points and options - for discussion 1 April Exhibit 4-6070 - CTH.2001.0013.7272_R - FW- EC19-000448 - Madeleine Masterton v Commonwealth of Australia - Federal Court Proceedings Concerning the Online Compliance Intervention [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6071 - CTH.3008.0025.5530_R - Masterton v Commonwealth - Update [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6072 - CTH.3008.0025.6501_R - Masterton v Cth - update on conference outcome [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6073 - CTH.3004.0012.2237_R - RE- Masterton v Commonwealth - update on conference outcome - allegation of bad faith on part of Commonwealth [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6074 - CTH.3004.0012.2239_R - Conference Report AGS 26 April 2019 Exhibit 4-6075 - CTH.0009.0001.2893_R - MS19-000119 MSB Exhibit 4-6076 - CTH.3009.0025.5755_R - RE- MS19-000119 Secretary agreed Minister brief with annotations [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6077 - CTH.0009.0001.2999_R - MS19-000212 MSB Exhibit 4-6078 - CTH.3003.0001.1123_R - FW- DSS feedback regarding solicitor general questions [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6079 - CTH.2001.0016.3770_R - Fwd- SG No 15 of 2019 - Use of apportioned ATO PAYG data to assess and raise debts under the Social Security Act 1991 [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6080 - CTH.2001.0016.3773_R - SG No 15 of 2019 - use of apportioned ATO PAYG data to assess and raise Exhibit 4-6081 - RLE.0001.0001.0030_R - RLE Screenshot 2 Exhibit 4-6082 - CTH.2013.0012.0859_R - Next Steps OCI [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET] Exhibit 4-6083 - CTH.2013.0012.0860 - MS19-000365 - Ministerial Letter Minister Robert to PM_V5 Exhibit 4-6084 - CTH.2013.0012.0863_R - MS19-000365 - Minute - Income Compliance Programme Redesign_V16 Exhibit 4-6085 - CTH.4000.0006.0350_R - Letter Minister to PM- revised cut [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET] Exhibit 4-6086 - CTH.4000.0006.0351 - The Hon Stuart Robert MP Exhibit 4-6087 - RLE.0001.0001.0028 - 20221121 Leon note 2 22006293(46486236.1) Exhibit 4-6088 - CTH.4000.0006.7450_R - Update on timing for next steps brief- income compliance [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET] Exhibit 4-6089 - CTH.4000.0006.7451_R - MS19-000365 - Minute - Income Compliance Programme Redesign_V23 ROS [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET] Exhibit 4-6090 - CTH.4000.0006.7452 - DSS one pager Exhibit 4-6091 - CTH.2007.0008.3432_R - CUPI approach to ERC tonight Exhibit 4-6092 - CTH.4000.0006.0355_R - Meetings this afternoon-tonight - update - to inform ERC [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET] Exhibit 4-6093 - CTH.4000.0006.0356 - options - going forward 2 Exhibit 4-6094 - CTH.2013.0012.4718_R - Re- Approach to debt recovery [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET] [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6095 - CTH.2013.0012.5069_R - For noting - Income Compliance Programme- Legal Position and Impact on litigation [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6096 - CTH.2013.0012.5123_R - EC19-002086 Income Compliance Programme - Legal Position Exhibit 4-6097 - CTH.2013.0012.6791_R - CCD message Exhibit 4-6098 - CTH.3003.0001.1761 - 2019.11.19 - ABC News 24 - Minister Robert Doorstop Exhibit 4-6099 - CTH.4000.0006.0700_R - RB EC19-002265 Secretary - Ombudsman meeting 25 November 2019 Exhibit 4-6100 - CTH.4000.0070.7986_R - EC19-002265 Secretary - Ombudsman meeting 25 November 2019 - v2 Exhibit 4-6101 - CTH.3004.0012.7433_R - Amato Covering letter Exhibit 4-6102 - CTH.3004.0012.7434_R - Amato Originating Application Exhibit 4-6103 - CTH.3004.0012.7438_R - Amato Genuine Steps Exhibit 4-6104 - CTH.3004.0012.7442_R - Affidavit Amato Exhibit 4-6105 - CTH.3004.0013.1243_R - Amato v Commonwealth - Employment Income Confirmation Litigation [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6106 - CTH.3004.0013.8665_R - RE- Amato Review Reassessment [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive] Exhibit 4-6107 - CTH.3004.0013.8666_R - Sec noted C STOREN advice of 210819 re Amato Exhibit 4-6108 - CTH.3004.0015.4376_R - Proposed consent orders - Amato - for urgent review and clearance [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6109 - CTH.3004.0015.4377_R - Amato - potential consent resolution of matter [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] [AGSDMS-DMS fID3847274] Exhibit 4-6110 - CTH.3004.0015.4385_R - Amato - potential consent resolution of the matter - scope of concession [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6111 - CTH.3004.0015.4386_R - 20191112 DISCUSSION DRAFT ONLY AGS Letter to Federal Court 19004317 Exhibit 4-6112 - CTH.3004.0015.4389_R - 20191112 DRAFT - Consent orders for resolution of proceeding 19004317 Exhibit 4-6113 - CTH.3004.0015.4391_R - 20191112 DISCUSSION DRAFT ONLY AGS Letter to VLA 19004317 Exhibit 4-6114 - CTH.3004.0015.4392 - Amato significant-issues-settlement-request-template - DHS 141119 Exhibit 4-6115 - CTH.3035.0020.6739_R - FW- Proposed consent orders - Amato - for urgent review and clearance [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6116 - CTH.3009.0020.0889_R - FW- Amato v Commonwealth - settlement proposal - update [AGSDMS-DMS fID3847274] [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6117 - CTH.3003.0001.2209_R - Amato v Commonwealth of Australia - matter decided - no appearance required on 2 December [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6118 - CTH.3003.0001.2210_R - Orders - VID611.2019 - 27 November 2019 Exhibit 4-6119 - CTH.3003.0001.2098_R - Re- for instructions- Settlement approval - Amato [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6120 - CTH.3003.0001.0250_R - RoboDebt Letters Exhibit 4-6121 - CTH.3008.0022.1956_R - RE- Bases for obtaining pay information from ATO [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6122 - CTH.3008.0022.1957_R - Sec noted A MUSOLINO advice of 060618 re pay ATO Exhibit 4-6123 - CTH.3780.0001.0004_R - Re- DSS feedback regarding solicitor general questions [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6124 - CTH.3804.0001.0007_R - Re- DSS feedback regarding solicitor general questions [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6125 - MKE.9999.0001.0002_R - 2022.11.22 - NTG-0106 Exhibit 4-6126 - MKE.9999.0001.0001_R - 230106 - Keenan Statement for Filing Exhibit 4-6127 - MKE.9999.0001.0020_R - 2023 02 10 - NTG-0195 Exhibit 4-6128 - MKE.9999.0001.0021_R - Hon M Keenan Response to NTG-0195 230222 - Copy Exhibit 4-6129 - CTH.3789.0001.0001_R - Incoming Minister Briefing- Final scanned version Exhibit 4-6130 - CTH.3004.0007.7865_R - Combined Meeting Pack - Minister Keenan and Deputy Secretaries Exhibit 4-6131 - SSA.0001.0010.1324_R - Fwd- Ministerial talking points - Fraud and debt recovery_DRAFT-[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6132 - CTH.3004.0007.8979_R - MS18-000066 - MO noted brief Exhibit 4-6133 - MKE.9999.0001.0005 - 79a_Record Child Support Debt Recovered Exhibit 4-6134 - SSA.0001.0233.0001_R - Talking Points for Sunday - Payments and Compliance [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6135 - MKE.9999.0001.0006 - 79b_1.4 Billion Saved in Welfare Fraud Crackdown Exhibit 4-6136 - SSA.0001.0039.0001_R - Taskforce Integrity media docs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6137 - CTH.3005.0008.2089_R - MB18-000010 - Minister signed brief Exhibit 4-6138 - CTH.3000.0039.7232_R - MS18-000102 Minister signed and commented Exhibit 4-6139 - CTH.3005.0008.2602_R - MS18-000086 Minister noted and signed brief on 7 March 2018 Exhibit 4-6140 - CTH.4000.0008.0590_R - MS18-000183 Minister signed and noted brief Exhibit 4-6141 - MKE.9999.0001.0003 - 79c_Crackdown on Wealthy Welfare Cheats Nets 43 Billion Exhibit 4-6142 - MKE.9999.0001.0004 - 79d_A Fairer and Simpler Welfare System Exhibit 4-6143 - MKE.9999.0001.0008 - 79e_Taskforce Integrity heads to Tamworth Exhibit 4-6144 - MKE.9999.0001.0009 - 79f_Repay Debts or Face Interest Charges Exhibit 4-6145 - MKE.9999.0001.0011 - 79j_Interest Charge Encourages Debts to be Repaid Exhibit 4-6146 - MKE.9999.0001.0012 - 79g_Community and Government Working Together to Tackle Welfare Fraud Exhibit 4-6147 - MKE.9999.0001.0013 - 79h_A Sustainable Welfare Safety Net to Support All Australians Exhibit 4-6148 - SSA.0001.0042.0152_R - Student obligations media info [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6149 - CTH.0009.0001.2876_R - MS18-000355 MO Exhibit 4-6150 - MKE.9999.0001.0010 - 79i_Taskforce Integrity Targets Welfare Cheats in Mount Druitt Exhibit 4-6151 - CTH.3000.0043.0039_R - MS18-000325 - Minister signed brief Exhibit 4-6152 - MKE.9999.0001.0014 - 79k_Fraudsters Put on Notice as Taskforce Integrity Returns to Werribee Exhibit 4-6153 - MKE.9999.0001.0015 - 79l_Action Urged to Prevent Payments Being Cut Exhibit 4-6154 - CTH.0009.0001.1108_R - MB18-000255 MO Exhibit 4-6155 - MKE.9999.0001.0018 - 79m_Welfare Debt Dodgers to Face Travel Bans Exhibit 4-6156 - MKE.9999.0001.0019 - 79n_Fraudsters Put on Notice as Taskforce Integrity Heads to Sunshine Coast Exhibit 4-6157 - MKE.9999.0001.0016 - 79o_Thousands of Couples Caught Rorting the Welfare System Exhibit 4-6158 - CTH.3008.0024.5514_R - MS18-000702 - Minister signed brief Exhibit 4-6159 - MKE.9999.0001.0017 - 79p_Taskforce Targets Serious Welfare Crime Exhibit 4-6160 - MKE.9999.0001.0007 - 79q_Child Support Debt Dodgers Face Travel Bans Exhibit 4-6161 - CTH.3005.0010.2635_R - Attachment B - Ombudsman letter to the Minister dated 29 March 2019 Exhibit 4-6162 - CTH.3005.0010.2636_R - Attachment A - Ombudsman final report under embargo Exhibit 4-6163 - SSA.0001.0163.3069_R - Fwd- FOR INFO- New enquiry - A Current Affair - Compliance [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6164 - SSA.0001.0222.1972 - FOR INFORMATION- A Current Affair story - robo debt [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6165 - SSA.0001.0042.3603 - FOR INFORMATION- A Current Affair story - robo debt [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6166 - SSA.0001.0058.1481 - Morning Media Summary - Tuesday 11 December 2018 [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6167 - CTH.3004.0008.3235_R - For info- Updated deadline - Media enquiry - Canberra Times (Doug Dingwall) - Earned Income Confirmation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6168 - CTH.3004.0008.3490_R - FW- For information- Linda Burney MP media release - 'Turnbull accused of enforcing illegal debt notices on innocent Australians' [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6169 - CTH.3008.0021.5423_R - FW- FOR ADVICE- Media Pack request - Tip-offs [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6170 - CTH.1000.0009.7093_R - Guardian enquiry [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6171 - CTH.3008.0022.0719_R - FW- FOR INFORMATION- Member for Denison Andrew Wilkie media alert re- request to Ombudsman [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6172 - CTH.3008.0022.0776 - Wilkie Media Alert Response Exhibit 4-6173 - CTH.2000.0008.0704_R - 2018.05.31 - LTE and OTR - Correcting Wilkie claims - Compliance -SUBBED Exhibit 4-6174 - CTH.3004.0008.6375_R - RE- BREAKING NEWS ALERT- SBS News - 'One in three robo-debts quashed on appeal' [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6175 - CTH.0009.0001.2878_R - MS18-000365 MSB Exhibit 4-6176 - CTH.3105.0025.6781_R - FW- DPO criteria changes Minister's brief [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6177 - CTH.0009.0001.1104_R - MB18-000254 MO Exhibit 4-6178 - CTH.3008.0024.4262_R - Re- Urgent constituent matter [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6179 - CTH.3004.0010.6724_R - Urgent constituent matter for Hon Sarah Henderson MP on behalf of [REDACTED] [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6180 - CTH.3008.0024.4338_R - FW- URGENT - brief request - Gavin Silbert [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6181 - CTH.3008.0024.4542_R - Update- Media enquiry - A Current Affair (Ashley Wick) - compliance [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6182 - CTH.3004.0010.6893_R - Individual Escalation Template - (Bethany) Alice James Exhibit 4-6183 - CTH.3008.0024.4779_R - Heads up- Additional information required - A Current Affair (Ashley Wick) - Compliance [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6185 - CTH.3008.0024.5403_R - 2018-12-18 - Minister for Human Services - Media Release - Taskforce Int Exhibit 4-6186 - CTH.3035.0016.9632_R - RE- FOR ACTION- Draft Notifications re Masterton [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6187 - CTH.3035.0016.9635_R - Masterton - Federal Court proceedings concerning the Online Compliance Intervention [DLM=Sensitive-Legal] Exhibit 4-6190 - CTH.3008.0025.7239_R - FW- Customer Chronology [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6191 - CTH.3008.0025.7246_R - MO request - Masterton Individual Escalation Template v0.3 Exhibit 4-6192 - CTH.3704.0002.2428_R - FW- Unethical Robo-debt Implementation and Case Mismanagement [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6193 - CTH.3007.0023.5930_R - CTH.2000.0007.5499 Exhibit 4-6194 - CTH.3007.0023.4033_R - CTH.2000.0007.5499 Exhibit 4-6195 - CTH.3027.0031.6547_R - Customer background request from MO- (Bethany) Alice James [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6196 - CTH.3027.0031.6548_R - Individual Escalation Template - (Bethany) Alice James Exhibit 4-6197 - CTH.3010.0010.3043_R - FOR OKAY- Updated media response- A Current Affair (Ashley Wick) - Compliance [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6198 - CTH.3083.0003.1890_R - RE- Draft ACA response [DLM=For-Official-Use-Only] Exhibit 4-6199 - CTH.3008.0024.4890_R - RE- Interview request - A Current Affair [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6200 - CTH.3010.0010.3049_R - FW- Interview request - A Current Affair [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6201 - CTH.3008.0024.4893_R - FOR INFORMATION- A Current Affair story - robo debt [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Exhibit 4-6202 - CTH.3053.0077.8798_R - FYI - Customer from Current Affair [DLM=Sensitive] Exhibit 4-6203 - CTH.3735.0001.0404_R - 06.04.2018 - The Guardian - Paul Karp follow up Exhibit 4-6204 - CTH.3035.0016.9637_R - Masterton Application Exhibit 4-6205 - CTH.3035.0016.9641_R - Masterton Affidavit Browne 4 February 2019 Exhibit 4-6206 - CTH.3035.0016.9715 - 6022019074920 Exhibit 4-6207 - CTH.3004.0010.6727_R - Individual Escalation Template - [REDACTED] Exhibit 4-6208 - CTH.3009.0020.4499_R - FYI- Update on Income Compliance Programme legal matters [SEC=OFFICIAL-Sensitive, ACCESS=Legal-Privilege] Exhibit 4-6209 - CTH.4000.0052.0381_R - MS19-000409 - Signed by Minister Exhibit 4-6210 - CTH.3004.0016.1548_R - EC19-002542 Sec asigned brief with annot Exhibit 4-6211 - DSS.5102.0001.0857_R - ADVC 19004087 STP and income reporting Exhibit 4-6212 - DSS.5102.0001.4168_R - ADVC 19004087 STP and income reporting Exhibit 4-6213 - CTH.3003.0001.0009_R - Incoming Secretary Brief FINAL Exhibit 4-6214 - CTH.4000.0006.0486_R - 2nd briefing pack to Sec for ERC [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET] Exhibit 4-6215 - CTH.4700.0001.1071_R - FW- Returned from the Minister's office- MS19-000365 - Welfare Income Compliance Measures - Future Considerations [SEC=PROTECTED, SH=CABINET]